I Am a ROFSCHILD, Axe me a Question

What if the mice and hawk are the same thing, just in different forms?

Would death of the mice still be a "sacrifice"? Or a "selfless" act?

Think about what you are proposing.

What if ... are the same thing ... in different forms.

Same? Different?

How can something be the same but at the same time different? Look up the definitions of SAME and DIFFERENT. How do you reconcile?

Do you mean that the nature and structure of both are different, and yet the same? As in, different combinations of the same materials? What are you proposing is the SAMENESS then? Purpose? And what, pray tell, would THAT be?

On an elemental level, there is a common-ness in that most life forms on this planet are carbon based. Different arrangements of primarily carbon based construction materials.

Why then has the ONE arisen?

Do you not perceive others as OTHERS?

Hello Teschen,

Iceland is, of course, perfectly illustrative of what I have been hammering on throughout the thread. Free choice/free will.

What exactly did they give up and what have they gained?

Dire predictions were made, were they not? What has happened so far?

And a little dyke shall lead them

.

Laughing out loud!

Hello Dave, You perfectly personify the typical canadian.

First of all, in the Court of the Kings, one is evaluated by their wit, brevity and articulation.

You did well in the brevity department, although I assume that fact has to do more with your cranial capacity than any deliberate attempt to be pithy.

Look up the definitions of FAIR and FARE and absorb the fact these words have very different meanings...as any primary school student will tell you. Were your post longer in length, there would certainly be other demonstrations of your ignorance, which would provide comic relief to the followers of the thread.

Secondly, the addition of the word MASSIVE indicates to many YOUR obsession with either the inadequate size of your own flagging "manhood", OR your latent desire to acquire the cock of another towards the satisfaction of your own base desires.

I strongly suggest you engage literary works and study your native language structure and spelling before attempting to play with those clearly out of your league.

Hello Teschen,

Why do you suppose these electron clouds aggregate in different forms then? Why not one soul per electron shell and elimination of the whole prey/predator dynamic? Why the need for separate beings/bloodlines?

In scientific inquiry, one attempts to

observe

and catalog "facts", from which generalities follow, which, if exceptions are not found, become LAWS.

Such as NATURAL LAW.

Another model creates theories based on un-observable phenomena and assumptions which must be taken on faith...from which sweeping conclusions are drawn. Religions are particularly adept at this; the beautiful lie!

Sadly, this seems to be your model. Other than what you have correctly observed relative to NATURAL LAW...the behavior of the hawk and mouse...your other assumptions are just that...assumptions. So much hoo-hah.

You reduce the NATURAL LAW and the NATURAL ORDER to the absurd conclusion that the prey lost the "lottery of life".

You conclude the hawk had no choice to be other than what it had been conditioned and programmed to be. Why? Because it fits your pre-conditioned expectations. How does your model encompass the idea of growth, mutation and natural selection?

How do you know that the eating of prey is the ONLY choice the hawk has? HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS? Maybe it is simply the easiest way?

Using federal reserve notes/fiat is SIMPLE! Easy!

But can't willing social participants exchange tangible goods and services between themselves without the use of fiat? Hasn't that been the norm of human commerce? Could YOU conduct your commerce without fiat? And, if so, they why do YOU choose a medium so clearly destructive to you, your family and your nation?

Look at post WW1 Germany and see what Hitler was doing...which essentially rebuilt the shattered german economy within 5 years of his taking power.

In my travels, I often am amazed at the sharp diving lines in urban areas between the haves and have nots. What compels the have nots to stay where they are?

Humans are notorious for making bad choices and blaming others, fate, the government or whomever for the sorry state of their condition. Look at the fast food industry growth and the rise in health care costs. HFCS, Pharma, vaccines and so many others...and yet stupid humans just keep marching to the same tired beat.

Hello Bickle,

First, there is no "so-called" junk DNA.

Isn't it the province of children (and increasingly most of first world adults) to wish for the magic pill...the beautiful lie...that dramatic change can happen quickly...or by simply taking a pill.

A substitute for diligence and hard work!

And interestingly, in the movie script line, this amazing compound is utilized, not for amazing new discoveries...but the acquisition of fiat currency! Worthless fiat!

Don't you get the joke Bickle?

Time is an artificial construct, young Bickle. A methodology utilized by simple minds to arrange events and thoughts in a linear fashion. Even though straight lines do not exist in nature!

Take a look at deep space...a nebula say...and then try to overlay the concept of human time to what you are observing.

As for the "future", of COURSE we create it! Through OUR choices and the imposition of our will. All in support of the well being and advancement of our bloodlines, of course.

Laughing out loud!

We control YOUR "time", yes. We provide you with things to do!

Laughing out loud!

There is no past, so no past events require change. And because we controlled the "future" when we were in the "past" why would we desire to change the "outcome"?

Honestly Bickle. Think before you type!

What is more important? Why, both are..as well as other things!

Why do you attempt to list everything and assign relative importance as if it is some sort of list...something that COULD be chronicled.

Media allows fiat to happen. Fiat allows media control!

What don't you understand?

Is your heart more important than your lungs? Each serves a purpose and each serves its master.

You, Bickle, are not a master.

Ask a young child to quantify how many stars are in the sky.

One hundred, they will pronounce! Because 100 is the largest concept they can embrace.

An older child will offer up a "jillion"

An adult will come up with a more scientific attempt, depending on their level of education, but the output will be as meaningless as the youngest child since they lack true understanding and perspective.

Both are equally absurd.

If you discard the concept of past and future, traditional thinking leaves only the NOW.

But NOW doesn't exist either, EXCEPT in only the most superficial sense of the word. Because humans have defined NOW in a way that has no relationship to NATURE or NATURAL LAW.

A drop of water, by experience and definition, can "exist"

in a sense

as a drop, but loses its "definition" when the drop enters the ocean. Does the drop cease to exist since it can no longer be observed as a drop? Is the ocean comprised of a series of drops? Or can the whole of the ocean be though of as holding the

potential

of being subdivided INTO drops. Before said sub-division exists,no drop exists. Once the drop enters the ocean, can that drop...that specific drop...ever be exactly reconstituted? Has the drop, or the ocean, changed? But, you say, I can extract a drop which is VERY SIMILAR, and thus good enough! But the drop is gone forever...never to be seen again and beyond control of the "dropper".

So if time were to be visualized as a "drop", and dropped into a larger medium comprised of "time drops", the individual time drop would cease to exist...have no past or future in any meaningful sense...but might be thought to contain all the aspects experienced during the formation of the time drop...but yet the time drop ceases to exist when entering into the time drop pool.

Things flow into other things. It is not linear, or modular, it is the operation of NATURE and NATURAL LAW and thus defies your conventions.

Yes, Bickle, "drop" a clock in the picture and behold the absurdity!

I'm not sure from where your obsession with TIME springs.

Forget time, Bickle, and consider the progression of your bloodline. Isn't that what I have been saying from the beginning?

The bloodline progresses, or doesn't, and THAT isn't a time function. It has nothing to do with your concept of time.

The evolution of the bloodline. THAT is the takeaway point.

Those LAWS which truly define how the human interacts within its environment. These are not secrets...they are readily observable if one is diligent and objective.

Another way to think of NATURAL LAWS might be:

YOUR perception of reality (ie how you believe that you, and others, interact and behave) MINUS the BEAUTIFUL LIES (and assorted delusions on the conscious and subconscious level) equals NATURAL LAW.

There is no matrix, Bickle.

And NATURAL LAW is not STATIC!

Perfection of the bloodline, which is an imperative, not a wish.

You likely know that in the Buddhist tradition, desire is the basis of all suffering.

Hello Teschen,

Are you questioning that pain exists? Are you suggesting that there is no empirical data that pain exists? I am baffled by your assertion.

To you the harvesting may be in question since you do not control the process, nor receive the benefits, but the existence? Because it is not quantifiable and observable TO YOU, may not constitute a reality. BUT, because

you

are limited in your understanding, does not change the REALITY, or NATURAL LAW, if you will. YOU may block out the reality of this because it conflicts with a higher order need you cling to so that the big scary world conforms to the lies of your childhood...and the lies taught to you as a child. Scary, that.

What do you think constitutes the reality of your delusional state?? Exactly this! You don't see-you don't comprehend!

Therefore the REALITY, identified and commanded by another does not exist in your world of possibilities.

Sad, that.

You can't COMPREHEND a different reality for our friend the hawk...thus, to you, no other possibility of existence is possible. Don't you see it is YOUR limitation of comprehension, not the hawks possible universe of choices.

Tell me teschen...how much time and effort have you devoted to the study of hawks to make such a statement? About as much as any other field of endeavour for you no doubt.

Unlike others, who have amassed vast energy and used it to attain KNOWLEDGE...which builds and builds and builds!

Meanwhile, the unwashed masses toy around on the internet trading theories with equally unknowing, similarly situated folk.

What kind of growth do you think you will experience with your approach to knowledge.

Knowledge, purified, and applied to the growth and glory of the bloodline! Simple enough for you?

WE are returning to SOURCE. Likely, you and your ilk will not be making the trip.

PS...truth and knowledge come from the death of delusions and purging of "beautiful lies". Are you up to the task teschen?

Spelling?

Words are arbitrary and only mean what others generally agree they mean.

They are not absolutes, so who cares?

Illusion animates the human body.

Consciousness, as it applies to you, is AWARENESS of your illusions!

Teschen mentioned the electron cloud. Have you studied quantum physics and can you grasp the "space within"?

Laughing out loud!

The atomic world does not mimic the physical world! Yet the physical world is constructed of atoms?

Relative space between electron shells and nuclei exceed the relative space between sun and earth. Physical matter exists as nothingness. Memories and thoughts exist as electrical impulses?

Can waves and particles coexist?!?! How so if one accepts the idea of time? Does the concept of time not lock one into

a 3 dimensional realm at best, and thus, as teschen so aptly demonstrated, single-handedly DESTROYED entire universes of possibility! One small serf! Destroys WORLDS!

Laughing out loud!

Perhaps you create your own prisons...you are your own wardens...locked away in the cells of your beautiful lies!

Dreaming of the sun instead of opening the cell door and experiencing it for yourself on ITS TERMS.

Hello Aussie and Welcome!

The analogy of how time units lack linearity is very similar to how the bloodline is influenced by each individual's "contribution". Understand that because the "past" and "future" do not exist, the "idea" of ancestors and descendants is equally meaningless.

The small minds cannot understand that the actions in the NOW (as you understand it) define both those that have "come before" and will come "after". Except that both "groups" exist with the NOW in the NOW. Do something, ANYTHING, and the bloodline is affected, ALL the bloodline!

So following the drop analogy a drop of blood into a pool of blood CANNOT be undone and cannot be reconstituted! The single drop has changed the blood pool permanently. As you perceive it, the current drop affects ALL of the drops that had been added before and all that WILL be added, will by definition and necessity be different than had that single drop we are discussing not have occurred!

No past, no future! Think and ponder that long and hard, Make those little neurons fire furiously in comprehending that truth!

Laughing out loud!

Now, you say, why does my drop matter? Well, the cumulation of drops...of water OR blood, creates the environment in which things will, or will not develop!

Look at the bounty of life in the oceans of the world! Incalculable wealth and potential! Now dip your mental toe into the dead sea! Potential?? Not so much!

Unless one wanted a red algae bloom!

Laughing out loud!

It is now your turn to add your drop, Don't blame your descendants or place all the responsibility on the progeny to come.

You won't be ending anything by your actions. It is not possible.

The natural evolution will not be deterred one iota by actions resulting from poor program execution.

We have seen to that!

Bickle, from where do your delusions and mindless observations spring?

How, dear Bickle, could one DISOWN a bloodline? From either side of the equation?

What, you were reconstituted into someone else's bloodline? Who would want you?

Moving on to your so called "spirit" how did the deconstruction and reconstitution take place exactly?

Your bloviating adds no value to the conversation here, such as it is, and serves no purpose that I can discern.

You don't actually believe all this nonsense, do you?

Are you one of those so called "shills" which appear to confuse the simple-minded?

Simple minded, really.

First of all, it would, and always, requires two or more parties to enter into a transaction. Of course, there could be a single party...but there is little value added to such a transaction! I suppose masturbation would be an appropriate example of a single party transaction, and note how effective THAT is to the act of human procreation!

Laughing out loud!

The sheep enter freely into the transaction with those who have, through much work and trial/error, made the rules and control the game.

The rules of engagement are crystal clear. Play or don't play.

By your estimation, you take the deal offered but complain of the terms....terms made clear from the outset and terms agreed to.

It is exactly this victim mentality, which you yourself have created, which confine you into your current situation!

Hello Slovakia, It is interesting how different entities respond to the truth!

Keel in mind, the americans don't understand the concept of "royalty" in the way that Europeans and Asians do. The Americans have bought into the illusion hook, line and sinker!

THEY really think they live in a free society, despite ALL of the evidence to the contrary!

Pity, really. But most beneficial for some!

Quite the self-serving test!

Of all the proof(s) one could offer, you select the one which requires federal reserve notes to be transferred to you...all without any corresponding effort or consideration on your part!

Laughing out loud!

At the very least, you could have designated ANOTHER to be the recipient of the "test", such as a "charity".

You make the incorrect presumption that you are a member of the bloodline. Let's start by YOU proving your assertion!

Hello Celt!

Your astute powers of observation obviously missed the also incorrectly spelled "AXE"

Laughing out loud!

You are not acquainted with the use of sarcasm, are you?

Bickle...I am speechless!

Let the good times roll, Mr Celt!

I can assure you Bickle, there is no common blood between or betwixt us!

Carry on!

Hello Solution Seeker and Welcome!

You must keep in mind that the nature of humans, such as it is, reveals the answer to your question.

And what is that nature, you may ask?

Well, it manifests in a variety of ways. Take human comfort, for example. You have likely heard of the STOCKHOLM SYNDROME...an interesting manifestation when humans are under some sort of duress....economic, physical, emotional...

In this case, the captive may develop unusual bonds with their captor. The kidnapped may form emotional alliances with those creating the oppression! AND FURTHER THE AIMS OF THEIR OPPRESSORS!

Humans seek approval, even from those who seek to oppress them! Humans crave to fit into, and meet, expectations...regardless (as it turns out) who/what so creates these expectations!

Humans need, and seek, roles in society which serve to define them and define their station in life. Once a human is so "engaged", they will stop at nothing to please their "superiors".

Take the role of surveillance in modern society (I refer here to video/checkpoints/"papers please" and the like). Is it necessary from our perspective??? NO. There is a cost to surveillance, as there is to all things, and every action causes a reaction...often creating other issues falling under the law of unintended consequences! We are VERY careful introducing new elements into controlled situations!

The surveillance system was not of our creation! It is your fellow humans seeking to protect their fiefdoms and monitor the activities of potential rivals!

Read about the "American" who was instrumental in establishing the FBI many years ago. As the story is now told, he created files and surveillance for political and personal reasons! The head of this bureaucracy was known for his predilections ...his love of men and desire to dress in women's clothes!

Laughing out loud!

Most would consider that his eccentricities would not qualify him to stand in judgment of others, but there it is. Do you think someone subject to his particular form of abuse might benefit by knowing this? Could the captor not be controlled by someone in possession of such knowledge? Check! and Checkmate!

During the last great European war, the Polish population were oppressed by the National Socialist party, and the tool of oppression was none other than...wait for it...other Polish! Examples of this are rife in human history and easy to find. Why would the Polish people turn on their own? Small comforts and the approval of their oppressors.

The genius of the system established is the illusion of freedom and having humans act as their own jailers! It is amazing, even to us, how well the system functions.

However, as demonstrated above, those with just the slightest benefits accorded to them were ALL TOO EAGER to further subjugate their FELLOWS! Which continues apace.

Laughing out loud!

Of course,

we

take the blame although we see no value in surveillance of this nature. It means nothing to us. We are more interested in controlling the course of "human events"

Laughing out loud!

Those humans who feed off their peers (cannibals, in a sense) consume with a ravenous appetite which puts us to shame. They enjoy the sense of power and humiliation over those subjugated!

What will evolve, and very quickly as it now looks, is that they will learn, painfully, the magic of what we learned eons ago...the magic of incremental, almost Infinitesimal rates of change! It must be this way...and they will pay a dear price!

As to your current situation, you may discover that these same oppressors also function under the laws of cowardice. That is to say, it is exactly the ILLUSION of control and power which makes it so. You may, at your discretion, choose to opt out at any time you decide that you refuse to further participate!

Of course, under the order of NATURAL LAW you are free to do so at any time! It is your free will to do so.

I ask you, have you made ANY concrete effort to express your will in this regard?

And consider the Kyoto Effect! Any small action YOU take to change the course of your bloodline will have effects impossible for you to now comprehend. Remember that the longest journey begins with a small step.

Laughing out Loud!

Yes, the characters Mr. Bickle has enlisted in his defense have created an impenetrable wall of logic I am unable to scale!

Bickle, there is a fellow delusionist posting under the nom de plume KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. I believe that he may be either:

1) your long lost relative holding the keys to your salvation

or

2) using the same medications as you are.

Best go check him out and see if you can forge an alliance of bloodlines!

Hello My Own,

My pledge from the outset was to answer truthfully, and I have done so without fail.

There is ONE TRUTH. It is absolute and not situational or subject to negotiation. The pursuit of this truth is the highest calling of a bloodline!