Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14751025
This thread is most interesting.
Reading this thread has made me think a lot, especially given the consistency and rational thinking of OP.
OP, would you agree that the main source of your power lies in KNOWLEDGE of and adherence to natural law?
I would like to know more about the learning process which leads to such understanding. Because I have the feeling of understanding on an intellecual level, but to truelly know and be able to apply such knowledge consistently in something entirely different. Also, since knowledge increases from one gereration to another, most of us are probably a few lightyears behind. Is it possible to breach this gap? How does the universe provide remedy in such situation?
Also, from what I could gather, discipline is of prime importance. How can one deveolp discipline in different areas of life? This is a huge challenge, in my opinion, since the internet age has provided people with and endless ammount of distractions.
I'm not a native english speaker, but hopefully I got my point accoss.
Hello Brazil and Welcome!
You have also posted some thoughtful questions and have comprehended my posts for the most part. And you have expressed yourself quite well in English!
Generally you are correct. I would add that the process is OBSERVATION, which leads to KNOWLEDGE, which leads to WISDOM. There is also the application of scientific principals, by which a hypothesis is formed and TESTED, to confirm that the observed phenomena is correctly understood. And don't forget, a LAW, by scientific definition is a fact set which cannot accommodate exceptions to the LAW. MOST IMPORTANT! If you have indeed discovered a NATURAL LAW, you will be unable to demonstrate a case where the LAW does not apply. If there is such a case, it is NOT a LAW.
The LAW of GRAVITY, for example. Very repeatable anywhere in the known world. No exceptions!Nor are there exceptions to NATURAL LAW.
From these basic precepts and standards the NATURAL LAW IS REVEALED...to those who take the time to understand.
NATURAL LAW, is endlessly complex in it's simplicity. TRUE BEAUTY INCARNATE. Of course, once the NATURAL LAWS are understood, they must be ADHERED to, or the consequences PAID.
To your question on JUSTICE. It is a human construct and has no NATURAL LAW counterpart....it is one of the major "BEAUTIFUL LIES".
Consider my earlier example of MONOPOLY, a popular board game. Imagine 4 children playing the game, all who have formed a social contract to abide by the rules. As the game progresses, one child is found to be cheating. The others are angry and the arguments escalate until one child hits the "cheater" who runs to mother for adjudication of the issue. While the three children cheated feel the punishment administered was fair, the mother would chide the child doing the hitting..."stop it, it's just a game". So both sides feel that their position was the just one, and whatever YOU choose to believe is similarly arbitrary. Arbitrary construct based on subjective belief systems.
NATURAL LAW would be neutral. If the cheater pulled it off, he would be rewarded with recognition and flattery for his gaming skills. If caught and punished, NATURE is satisfied as well. He did not have the skill set necessary to cheat and paid a price for his failure. The lad will "learn" to either not try cheating again, or hone his cheating skills so he would not be caught the next time. Feedback loop, and should the cheating skill set be enhanced, his bloodline would benefit!
Not to suggest that adults in societies positions of power; banking, politics, business media etc WOULD EVER CHEAT!
Oh my no!
Or perhaps those were the childhood type experiences which gave them the winning advantage as adults!
Laughing out Loud!!!
One other example.
Think of a rural Irish village in the earlier years when the Roman Catholic Church ruled the land with an iron fist.
Let us say that Sean, a local farmer who was known to imbibe to excess, failed to plant his potato crop one spring. Despite his wife pleading and begging, he spent his evenings at the pub and mornings asleep.
Fall comes and he has nothing to eat. As the snow falls, he becomes hungry and goes door to door begging for scraps to eat. The neighbors refuse to help! The church similarly closes their door to the hapless drunk.
Sean is found face down in a local ditch. The neighbors all say that he got his "just desserts" or the he got what was "coming to him". The parish priest lectured that Sunday of the evils of alcohol and the importance of thrift and industry.
Some might argue that Sean's treatment by his neighbors and church was unjust. But notice how each group uses the facts of the matter to further their own particular agenda, and that the agenda is couched in issues of morality, justice and virtues which are entirely created and maintained by humans, NONE of WHICH (except SURVIVAL) actually exist in NATURE.
In the NATURAL world, if one animal fails to prepare for harsh conditions, it dies. The others in the group are not affected whatsoever and move on after rooting out anything of value from their fallen comrade.
As to breaching the knowledge gap, there is no knowledge gap to breach. One knows or doesn't know. It may have taken TESLA 5 years to uncover a particular NATURAL LAW, but it would only take a week or month perhaps for him to teach another, if he were so inclined. One does not need to travel the same path for the discovery of each NATURAL LAW. Ideally, groups would work independently and share their discoveries for the advancement of the human race. However, as with the potato guy, one cannot expect another to do all the "work" and then expect a knowledge handout later after contributing NOTHING!
In terms of the posters who are critical of our accomplishments, and the sorry fellow saying he has no choices in why he finds himself unhappy!
Almost every human now has access to a computer and the internet...vast information and computing powers!
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH SUCH POWER? WHAT INFORMATION DO YOU HAVE TO SHARE OF VALUE WITH OTHERS WHO MAY HAVE VALUABLE INFORMATION AS WELL??