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Of everything in the 2005 Elite Family Insider thread, the passages about Jesus are the ones readers come back to. They are not the usual "Jesus never existed" argument, and they are not a bloodline-of-the-Grail story either. The Insider says something stranger: that Jesus of Nazareth was real, that he was staged, and that the figure Christians call the Christ was someone else entirely, who came to Earth once, long before.
He returns to it five times over four days, usually because someone pushed back. Put together, the claims make a surprisingly complete picture. And although he presents it as family knowledge, it has a long history outside his thread.
Jesus was a created leader. On the second day, asked how a person knows they have "mastered the game", he answered that a false master does more harm than a bloodline could do directly, and that this is why such leaders are made:
Jesus of Nazareth was not a master of the game, he was a puppet being used in the game and he still is serving the agenda among you.
Elite Family Insider, day 2, post 10
The Christ is a different being. On the third day he drew the line more sharply: "The Christ has nothing to do with Jesus of Nazareth, that part was later fabricated." (day 3, post 1)
The real Christ came once, in another era. On the fourth day a reader wrote, "by Divine Law, Christ was sent here to correct the situation." He agreed, and then said where it did not happen:
Yes, but Christ did not descend into the body of a human called Jesus of Nazareth, 2014 years ago on March 20th, almost 2 hours before sunrise (which is the secret time of birth of your "son of god"). The Christ (which has a different "real" name but I will use this name here) appeared once, just once, and this was in another era, not even close to our era where Jesus of Nazareth also lived in.
Elite Family Insider, day 4, post 9
The insiders guided Jesus from birth to death. Later that day, asked about a desert sheikh who supposedly blessed Jesus on his travels, he gave the fullest version. The wise men at the birth were insiders, and there were five, not three: "2 were present in the background (the number 3 in the story serves a symbolic purpose like so many things, read slowly)." Their gifts were "symbolistic artifacts (some ancient) which through rituals would initiate him into his chosen task," which is why he had to travel. The same five were present at the crucifixion. Jesus knew he was being guided, sometimes went looking for his guides, and "gave up on 2 occasions but was guided back." His words were being recorded before his death and "rewritten again at a later time to release." (day 4, post 25)
Jesus borrowed the real teaching, and corrupted it. On the last day: "The teachings of the real Christ are not the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth although the latter adopted many from the former." The real Christ revealed the "Divine Law" that lets a soul return to "the realm you truly belong to", and "did It's duty fully and successfully, now it is your turn." (day 5, post 9)
Notice what is missing. He never gives the real Christ's name, never dates the "other era", and calls the Christ "It". That is the language of a principle or a being, not a man.
Separating Jesus the man from the Christ is not a modern conspiracy theory. It is one of the oldest disputes in Christianity, and several of the Insider's details have direct ancestors.
The Gnostics. Around the year 100, a teacher named Cerinthus taught that Jesus was an ordinary man, and that "the Christ" was a higher power that descended on him at his baptism and left him before the crucifixion. We know this because Irenaeus attacked it, in Against Heresies (book 1, chapter 26). The Insider goes one step further: in his version the Christ never entered Jesus at all. But his whole vocabulary is Gnostic. The "Good One" from whom everything flows, beings who are its "emanations", the soul trapped in a lower realm and needing to "return to your original state": all of this would have been at home in a second-century Gnostic text. One questioner in the thread even addressed him as "Gnostic number 13".
The Mandaeans. The closest match of all is a living religion. The Mandaeans of Iraq and Iran, who still practise baptism in running water and revere John the Baptist, regard Jesus as a false messiah who took John's teaching and corrupted it. Their saviour is a being of light, Manda d-Hayyi, whose name means "Knowledge of Life", and who brought the saving knowledge to humanity at the very beginning, to Adam. A true revealer in a primordial age, a later figure who borrowed and perverted the message: that is almost exactly the Insider's account.
Melchizedek. The Bible itself has a Christ-like figure from "another era". Melchizedek, king of Salem and "priest of the most high God", blesses Abraham in Genesis 14, centuries before Moses. The Letter to the Hebrews describes him in remarkable terms:
Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
Hebrews 7:3 (King James Version)
Some early sects, the Melchizedekians, taught that he was a heavenly power greater than Jesus. Among the Dead Sea Scrolls, a text known as 11QMelchizedek casts him as a divine figure who brings liberation at the end of days.
The Theosophists. In the twentieth century the idea came back in a new form. Alice Bailey taught that "the Christ" is an office held by a great being, who overshadowed the man Jesus. Rudolf Steiner taught that the Christ entered Jesus at the baptism in the Jordan. Both treat the Christ as a cosmic being who appears in cycles, older than the man from Nazareth.
"The number 3 serves a symbolic purpose." He is on solid ground here. Matthew's gospel never says how many wise men there were. The number three was inferred later from the three gifts, and some Eastern Christian traditions counted twelve. Five is no less biblical than three.
"2014 years ago on March 20th." He posted in 2005, which puts the birth around 9 or 10 BC. Most historians place it between about 6 and 4 BC, because Herod the Great, who is alive in Matthew's story, died around 4 BC. But 9 BC is not as wild as it sounds. The early Christian writer Tertullian said the census at the time of the birth was taken by Sentius Saturninus, who governed Syria from about 9 to 6 BC.
The day is more interesting than the year. 20 March is the vernal equinox, when day and night are equal and the light begins to overtake the dark. And the hour before sunrise is the hour of the morning star, the planet Venus, which in Latin is Lucifer, "light-bringer". The Insider calls it "the secret time of birth of your 'son of god'". Whether you read that as a hint about the Sun, the star, or the family's own symbolism, it is a deliberate detail, not a careless one.
"Rewritten again at a later time." Scholars agree on a version of this. The gospels were written decades after Jesus's death, drew on earlier written and oral sources, and were edited over time. What they do not support is the Insider's claim that the editing was directed by a hidden group.
The idea runs through all four dialogues, in different forms. Three years later, Hidden Hand told AboveTopSecret, "There is no 'Messiah'. Stop looking outside of yourself for 'salvation'." He allowed only a "Christ Consciousness", and "not in your 3rd Density (dimensional) awareness" (session 1). The Insider makes the same move. A saviour who did his duty long ago, leaving the work to you: "now it is your turn." In both texts, the figure who is worshipped is a decoy. The thing worth finding is older, and it is not a person you wait for.
It is also the part of the thread the Insider seemed most reluctant to discuss. He apologises for returning to it ("I remember I would not mention it again but this context needs it") and told one questioner to "be careful with what you say, you are harming yourself." Whatever he was, he treated this as close to the centre.
None of this can be verified. No record could confirm that five men guided Jesus, and the Insider never names the real Christ or the era in which he came. What can be said is that the claim was not invented in 2005. Its shape, a true revealer in a primordial age and a later, managed figure who borrowed his teaching, appears in the Gnostics, the Mandaeans, the Melchizedek tradition and the Theosophists. Either the Insider was well read in some very old heresies, or, as he would put it, the knowledge has been kept alive all along by the people you would least expect.
He asked the thread a question on that point, and never answered it: "Do you know who keeps the knowledge about the real Christ alive? And do you know who keeps the knowledge about the fake christ(s) alive?" His only clue was: "The opposite of what you are thinking."
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