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Hidden Hand said his Family had spoken publicly twice before 2008. Nobody has found either text. Over the years one claim about the 2003 release has been repeated more than any other: that it was a GodlikeProductions thread, and that it said certain specific things. Both of the specific things it is said to contain come from a different text, posted on GodlikeProductions in September 2005.
He mentioned the earlier releases twice. The first time was in answer to a request for precedents:
Once in 1999, to what you would call an 'alternative' media source. Once in 2003, on another internet "conspiracy" based forum. Though the information relayed was not entirely 'pure'. Not from the intention of misleading, but rather through imperfect or incomplete knowledge of the messengers.
Hidden Hand, session 1
When pressed for details, he gave a little more and then stopped:
The 2003 material was removed by the Admins of the site it was shared at as they felt it was "causing too much controversy", and the 1999 material was not released for the same reasons as that which I am sharing here.
Hidden Hand, session 3
So the 2003 text was on a conspiracy forum other than AboveTopSecret, and the forum's admins took it down.
In February 2024, in an AboveTopSecret thread marking fifteen years since the Hidden Hand dialogue (thread 1344150, read via the Wayback Machine), a user called AcrobaticDreams1 wrote:
The two I found most accurate and most stunning is the one done in 2003 in the godlikeproductions forum ... hiddenhand did confirm this in his post but said he didn't know the whole thing about the harvest. But the poster on that forum never went into detail about this he just said there wouldn't be a mass event where we are all released it is a one by one thing ... They also both asked the same question in the same manner (are you really on the planet you think you are?)
AcrobaticDreams1, ATS thread 1344150, 5 February 2024
It is the only identification of the 2003 text we have found that gives any content. It names two details: release "one by one" rather than as a mass event, and the question "are you really on the planet you think you are?"
Revelations of an Elite Family Insider was posted on GodlikeProductions over five days starting 24 September 2005. Both details appear on its first day.
Asked "When will the wheat be separated from the chaff?", the Insider replied:
I know 100% sure there is no end time, at least not like it is being portrayed everywhere, be it religion, media, etc. This place was never meant to end the way it is being described. There will be a time when everyone will be released but that is not a mass event, but rather 1 by 1....work on yourself.
Elite Family Insider, day 1 (9/24/2005)
Later the same day, he answered a poster who had told him "Your time is short":
There is no end of time. A long time ago, the people did ALMOST manage to take over, and then bad things happened on earth to those people....what are you seeing now? Are you really living on the planet you think you are?
Elite Family Insider, day 1 (9/24/2005)
Both match closely. The poster remembered a GLP thread with these lines and remembered it as 2003. The 2005 thread is a GLP thread with these lines. The simplest explanation is that he misremembered the year. The PDF copy of the 2005 text gives the original thread as message 161085, dated 9/24/05.
Part of the confusion is understandable. Hidden Hand uses a similar line in his own first session: "'here' is very likely not really where you think 'here' is." The ideas overlap. But the wording the ATS poster recalls is the 2005 wording, not Hidden Hand's.
The dialogue itself contains a second piece of evidence. In session 3, a questioner pointed Hidden Hand to material from "one calling themselves 'The Insider'":
A good question. I have just read through that material. It was very interesting. No, not a 'predecessor of mine', and not a disclosure I was previously aware of, which had it come from my Family, would be highly strange. Though, I note that he himself stated that he is "from a minority", and certain clues within his writing gives me a very good idea which one.
Hidden Hand, session 3
The 2005 Insider does say exactly that, on his fourth day: "I am from a minority." (9/27/2005). He returns to it on the last day: "I am from a minority within the faction which is getting smaller." (9/28/2005). Hidden Hand went on to rate the material "around 60% accurate."
The questioner's link is not preserved in our transcript, so this identification rests on the quoted phrase. Still, it is a close fit. If it is right, Hidden Hand had read the 2005 text and said it was not a disclosure he knew of. The 2003 release, by contrast, was one he cited as an earlier instance of his Family's own directive. So the 2005 thread cannot be the 2003 release under another date.
One more mismatch: Hidden Hand said the 2003 thread was removed by the site's admins. The 2005 thread was not. Its thread number still resolves on GodlikeProductions, though a 2008 Project Avalon post noted that it "seem[s] to have gotten corrupted and posts are missing".
If the 2003 release really was on GLP, finding it is hard. Two facts block the usual routes:
So nothing GLP held in 2003 is served today, and no public archive holds a copy. A deleted 2003 GLP thread would survive only in someone's saved files, or quoted in another forum or on Usenet.
We do not know. These are our candidates, roughly in order of fit with what Hidden Hand said:
Eracidni Murev Te, asked in 2018 about earlier releases, did not help. He said: "Other than the three we have discussed, I am not aware of any other diffusions related to either our organization or its counterpart." (post 173, December 2018). Asked whether there had been similar releases in 1998 and 1988, he replied: "It is not a "strict" 10 year period between diffusions. I can recommend the Ra material and A Course in Miracles." (post 161).
Whoever finds the 2003 text should search by vocabulary, not by label. A 2003 post would not call itself the "Hidden Hand 2003 release". It would more likely use his terms: "One Infinite Creator", "Harvest", "Group Soul", "upline", "Supreme World Council".
The lost texts bounty pays $200 for each of the two releases, the 1999 and the 2003. The standard is proof that the text existed before 2008. That means a dated web archive capture, the original forum URL, a Usenet or mailing list record, or a saved copy that can be matched to an independent source. A typed-up text with no source does not qualify, however good it reads. If you have a copy of an early GodlikeProductions thread, now you know which year to look for.
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