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All four texts imply their authors can see what is coming. Only a handful of their sentences can be checked. This page collects every forecast with a date, a place or a definite outcome, quoted exactly and marked against what happened.
A forecast is marked only where the outcome is well established. Spiritual claims about harvests and densities are left alone unless the text ties them to a date.
One correction: the PDF transcript dates Hidden Hand's forecast list "[on Sept. 10, 2008]", but the archived AboveTopSecret thread shows it was posted on 19 October 2008. We use the archive date. The details are in the Bitcoin post.
| # | Text | Quote | Where | Outcome | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Hidden Hand | "The Stock Markets will soon complete their controlled demolition. After an initial 'appearance' that the 'bail outs' and 'rescue packages' have steadied the ship, there will be new record lows by the end of the month." | Session 1, posted 19 Oct 2008 | PARTIAL | The Dow closed at 8,175.77 on 27 October 2008, its lowest since early 2003. That was a five-year low, not a record low, and the real bottom came in March 2009. |
| 2 | Hidden Hand | "Our Financial Institutions will later call in all loans. There will be many bankruptcies and foreclosures." | Session 1, 19 Oct 2008 | PARTIAL | Bankruptcies and foreclosures followed in large numbers. Banks did not call in all loans. |
| 3 | Hidden Hand | "The only way John McCain will become the next US President, will be if something "happens" to Barack Obama before the election. If there even is an election." | Session 1, 19 Oct 2008 | HIT | The election was held and Obama won. With about two weeks to go, it was also the expected result. |
| 4 | Hidden Hand | "Unless any unforeseen disruptions delay it's announcement, there will be a new currency by the end of 2008 / early 2009, along with a new Union of nations." | Session 1, 19 Oct 2008 | MISS | No currency was announced together with a new union of nations. Bitcoin's timing fits, but its nature does not. |
| 5 | Hidden Hand | "San Francisco and Damascus, will be uninhabitable by the end of 2010, possibly even sooner." | Session 1, 19 Oct 2008 | MISS | Both cities were inhabited past 2010 and still are. |
| 6 | Hidden Hand | "You will see windspeeds surpassing 300 miles per hour at times." | Session 1, 19 Oct 2008 (continuation post) | PARTIAL | Radar measured winds above 300 mph in the El Reno tornado of 31 May 2013, but similar readings date back to 1999. |
| 7 | Hidden Hand | "a solar emission in late 2009 early 2010 that will cause major melting of the ice caps, and subsequent drastic rise in sea levels, leaving many (international) metropolitan areas underwater." | Session 1, 19 Oct 2008 (continuation post) | MISS | No such solar event and no flooded cities. |
| 8 | Hidden Hand | "Yes, the noonday Winter Solstice Sun of December 21st, 2012 is the time when the Lord of The Harvest shall return. You might know him as "Nibiru"." | Session 2 | MISS | Nothing returned. He did add that the date was not one "where all of the sudden the lights go out", but Nibiru is a definite claim. |
| 9 | Hidden Hand | "...we are closing our End Game scenario, and soon to openly come out and offer publically to "save" the failing political and financial institutions with our esteemed Leadership" | Session 3 | MISS | Eighteen years on, no bloodline family has come out publicly to take charge. |
| 10 | Elite Insider 2005 | "I know 100% sure there is no end time, at least not like it is being portrayed everywhere" | Day 1, 9/24/2005 | UNFALSIFIABLE | "Not like it is being portrayed" means no event could count against it. |
| 11 | Elite Insider 2005 | Q: "Are ther any wholesale events on the horizon that will translate into a quantum leap in mass consciousness...?" A: "No, not like that." | Day 5, 9/28/2005 | UNFALSIFIABLE | So far, true. But a "quantum leap in mass consciousness" has no agreed test. |
| 12 | Elite Insider 2005 | "10.000-15.000 years from now (yes, the Earth will be still alive) people will find texts about the rulers of this era" | Day 4, 9/27/2005 | OPEN | The deadline is millennia away. |
| 13 | Rofschild | "Look for Syria next to fall, and fall quickly." | Post 149, 11/03/2011 | MISS | Assad's government held on for thirteen more years and fell in December 2024. Syria also already had a central bank, which was his stated reason. |
| 14 | Rofschild | "Cuba has also agreed to the North American integration once Fidel "passes"." | Post 149, 11/03/2011 | MISS | Fidel Castro died in November 2016. No North American integration followed. |
| 15 | Rofschild | "That leaves IRAN. And biblical prophesy. The fallout from that conflict sets the stage for the true new world order" | Post 149, 11/03/2011 | UNFALSIFIABLE | No conflict, date or outcome is defined. |
| 16 | Rofschild | "As the era of the nation state comes to a close...on the cusp of a global world order...competing nations will give way to class warfare and ultimately competing bloodlines." | Post 145, 11/01/2011 | UNFALSIFIABLE | No timeframe, and "class warfare" can be read into any decade. |
| 17 | Rofschild | "FIAT has also been a useful religion, but it, too, will shortly be replaced as the PRIMARY method of control." | Post 604, 05/30/2012 | MISS | Fourteen years later, fiat money is still the standard everywhere. |
| 18 | Rofschild | "The fiat monitary system is concluded." | Post 618, 07/03/2012 | MISS | It was not concluded and still runs. |
| 19 | Rofschild | "The recent HEAT WAVE in the midwest USA will be a crop failure in one sense" | Post 661, 07/11/2012 | HIT | The 2012 drought badly cut the US corn crop. It was already under way when he wrote, so this was low-risk. |
| 20 | Eracidni Murev Te | "The markets will in the near-future once again enter a controlled meltdown of sorts. It will not be world-ending but it will be harsh." | Post 041, Dec 7, 2018 | PARTIAL | The February to March 2020 crash was harsh and not world-ending. "Near-future" is loose, and "controlled" cannot be checked. |
| 21 | Eracidni Murev Te | "None of the current iterations of cryptocurrency will become a primary, future world currency." | Post 145, Dec 8, 2018 | OPEN | No deadline. None has so far. |
| 22 | Eracidni Murev Te | ""Everyday people" will be able to buy with it. In other words, it will replace the U.S. Dollar as the primary world currency." | Post 145, Dec 8, 2018 | OPEN | Refers to a future digital currency. The dollar is still the primary world currency. |
| 23 | Eracidni Murev Te | "we will see the completion of the transition from physical to digital currency in the Western world within our lifetime." | Post 162, Dec 9, 2018 | OPEN | "Within our lifetime" has not run out. Cash is still in use. |
| 24 | Eracidni Murev Te | "Comparatively minor wars are likely but we will not see global conflicts on the scale we have, before." | Post 162, Dec 9, 2018 | OPEN | Holding so far, with no end date. |
| 25 | Eracidni Murev Te | "The population the world over will decline..." | Post 162, Dec 9, 2018 | OPEN | World population is still rising. No date was given. |
| 26 | Eracidni Murev Te | "The next minor Harvest of note will begin in around 14 years." | Post 158, Dec 9, 2018 | UNFALSIFIABLE | It has a date (around 2032), but nothing is said that anyone could observe. |
| 27 | Eracidni Murev Te | "The conflict re: India and Pakistan will not amount to anything serious, thank God." | Post 201, Feb 2019 (undated, after Feb 3) | HIT | The February 2019 crisis eased after Pakistan returned a captured Indian pilot on 1 March. No war followed. |
| 28 | Eracidni Murev Te | "5G rollout will not have any immediate effects." | Post 201, Feb 2019 | HIT | No immediate effects from 5G have been established. Low-risk. |
The table has 28 rows:
Seventeen forecasts can be settled now: four hits, nine misses, four partial. Every hit was a near-term call an ordinary observer could have made, such as Obama two weeks out or a drought already in the news. Every bold, specific call missed: the two cities, the solar flood, Nibiru, Syria, Cuba and the end of fiat.
Hidden Hand made the only real list, under pressure from a sceptic, and its near-term items came closest. The 2005 Insider barely forecasts at all; most of what he says about the future is a denial, which keeps him safe and gives us little to score. Eracidni Murev Te forecast decades out, so most of his rows are open. He was also the only one asked about a predecessor's record:
As we have progressed differently than intended, we did indeed not experience what transition to Fourth Density negative Earth entailed.
Eracidni Murev Te, post 168 (December 2018), answering a questioner who noted that Hidden Hand's San Francisco and Damascus forecasts "never went thru"
The forecasts, in other words, were right for a timeline that did not happen. Tidy, and unfalsifiable.
Think a row is marked wrongly, or that we missed one? Post the exact quote and its location below. Transcripts: Hidden Hand, Elite Family Insider 2005, Rofschild, Eracidni Murev Te.
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